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Poster: falconcry77 Date: Apr 30, 2009 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 04-08-1972

Listening to this for the first time today. The Dark Star is the most unique and interesting version i've heard from 72-74, my favorite era for a star. I havent listened to all the stars from this era, but i've deeply investigated at least 50 so far, based mainly on pop recomendations. This one is my fav for now. There are jams throughout that i've never heard. The eerieness builds and doesn't let up, then at the end it gets sweet. The transition to sugar mag is top notch. Usually when theyd do dark star>sugar mag during this time period it would come at a quiet time, and would generally be too abrupt for my taste. This one is very different. It comes in the middle of a high energy jam the likes of which i've never heard. I'm about 3 minutes into the 17 minute caution now, and it sounds great. Can't wait to see where it goes, then go back and check set 1. This show will be a go to show for me.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Apr 30, 2009 2:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 04-08-1972

that Caution is steppin out BIGTIME! a top favorite of mine

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Apr 30, 2009 2:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 04-08-1972

Smokin' Bertha right out of the gate and it doesn't let up from there on. Super rare version of LLR with Jerry on pedal steel...not my favorite tune, but a sweet diversion. All this and you got Keith and Pig playing together...in case you remember to forget Phil sang great harmonies. Emblematic of most of the Yerp 72 shows and this one's in my top 5 of all time. Got it on the box right now, thanks for the reminder.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Apr 30, 2009 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 04-08-1972

great version, I probably take 08-27-1972, 05-11-1972 over this version, I would put it on par with 11-11-1973 and 02-24-1974 from the 72-74 era

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Apr 30, 2009 4:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 04-08-1972

Then Strat agrees that 9/21/72 is overated?

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Apr 30, 2009 5:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 04-08-1972

not even the best show of the month, that belongs to 9-27 or 9-28...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Apr 30, 2009 5:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 09-21-1972

I don't get the hype over the 9/21/72 Dark Star. Yes there is some very fine jazz playing, and quite a few ides get tossed around, but the band never really locks into a theme until just about the end, and then very briefly. There may be a dozen '72 Dark Stars that I enjoy more...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Apr 30, 2009 8:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 09-21-1972

I really like that one and that show. That was our friend waynecs' first show. Could you imagine?

The thing about that DS is that it may not lock in to anything that long but in never wanders into the land of strange noises. I recently mentioned to High Flow that you could play that one loud and the wife would not really have anything to complain about ('turn off that noise!" was heard here once when i was playing the DS from 12-18-73 with its feedback one night).

I do think 4-8-72 is a better DS. I was in London at the beginning of the month and spent a little too long in the pubs and bars one night. I decided the best cure the next morning was to take a long walk and listen to the 4-8 show. I listened happily as I walked from just pass the Kensington High Street Underground station to Big Ben. Not sure how far that was but it was a nice walk with that show in my ears.

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: May 1, 2009 6:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 09-21-1972

Elbow...glad to see you didn't contract swine fever when you were passing the Houses of P and Wind...

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/covers.php?showme=1235&;

about 3.9 miles by the way

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 1, 2009 6:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 09-21-1972

Thanks!!

No managed to stay upwind of the Houses.

Actually the day of my walk was the Saturday before the G20 meeting so I was not alone walking the streets of London. I had to wait a few moments as I was trying to get to the National Gallery to see the new Picasso exhibit so the protestors could pass. Interesting protest parade as you had all kinds of people protesting all kinds of things. My favorite scene was when a woman holding a sign about feeding the poor or something like that decided to spit her gum into the sewer. I wondered how all the environmentalists around her felt about that.

The Picasso exhibit is worth the price of admission and it made me think quite a bit about the Grateful Dead. The premise of the exhibit is that even as a teenager he would try to emulate other artists styles and incorporate them into his own, ultimately paying homage to artists that influenced him by re-interpreting their work. In other words he was a "cover band." However his covers were distinctly original and his own. That seemed very much like our favorite "cover band."

http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/exhibitions/picasso/default.htm

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Apr 30, 2009 5:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 09-21-1972

It's not my favorite DS of the year Cliff, maybe not top 5. Off the top of my head, 4-8, 4-14, and 3-23 are better. The pairing with Dew makes for a great combo though.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Apr 30, 2009 5:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 04-08-1972

Strato,

9/27 has lackluster versions of Dew and Dark Star. The show gets rolling at Cumberland though, and has a great Attics. Strong show, but a tad flat compared to 9/21.

9/28 - now there is an underrated show. Too many cuts to judge it against 9/21, but the best ever GSET, huge Playin, and outstanding TOO > Me and Bob Mc > TOO could very well make this a best ever type show.

Either way, the best week in GD history imo.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Apr 30, 2009 7:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 9-21-72

I'm also one of those who think the 9-21-72 Star is one of the greats. True, they drift from theme to theme in a jazzy way without locking into anything for long, but that was typical for '72-74; and the bluegrassy jam at the end is hardly "brief", it's more like 5 minutes which is quite a long and generous extra jam to finish a Dark Star with.

9-21 to 9-28 is full of great stuff. But if you're looking for an underrated (or under-mentioned) show, try 9-10-72 with David Crosby - check out the reviews:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-09-10.sbd.winters.17690.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Apr 30, 2009 4:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 04-08-1972

An OUTSTANDING Dark Star > Dew, arguably the best Birdsong ever played, arguably the best NFA > GDTRFB > NFA ever played, a strong jammed out Playin, and solid versions of 1/2 Step, China Cat > Rider, Cumberland, Big RR, Loser, Jack Straw, Truckin, and Sugar Mag. And few list it as a best of 1972.

Sure Cliff, 9/21 is overrated.

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Poster: deadmax Date: Apr 30, 2009 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 04-08-1972

I always hear the hype for 4-14-72 but I've always felt that 4-8 was a better "package" and superior musically. I like 4-14 but 4-8 is just better. The Dark Star is really special and I appreciate the descriptions. Now I have to leave my tour of '76 and go back and listen to this.

Glad you brought it up.

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Apr 30, 2009 4:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 04-08-1972

I would love to get my hands on this show in its entirety - the thing was pulled due to its release on Steppin' Out.

Anyone?

edit: my prayers have been answered.

This post was modified by GennyBenni on 2009-04-30 23:04:07

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Poster: falconcry77 Date: Apr 30, 2009 3:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 04-08-1972

i gotcha

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Apr 30, 2009 7:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 04-08-1972

We should envy all those who can hear 4-8-72 for the first time.

I also think it's the best Star of the tour, but 4/14, 4/24, 5/11 and 5/25 are pretty close.

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Poster: fireeagle Date: May 1, 2009 5:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 04-29-1972

this is the closest, maybe even better (?)

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-04-29.mtx.sirmick.98401.flac16

sugar magnolia and caution here def surpass 04-08 versions

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Poster: BongWzrd Date: May 1, 2009 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 04-29-1972

Yes, 4-08 is spectacular, then again so is 4-14.....4-29 is grand as well....

Some of my favs from 72':
5-11 DS>Drums>DS>Sugar Mag>Caution>Who do you Love?>Jam>Truckin'
5-25 UJB>Wharf Rat>DS>Sugar Mag, Comes A Time
7-18 Truckin'>DS>Comes A Time
8-21 DS>EL Paso>Space>Deal
9-21 DS>Dew
9-24 DS>China Cat>Rider
10-18 Playin'>Drums>DS>Dew>Playin'
11-13 DS>Dew
11-19 DS>WRS Prelude>Half-Step

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Poster: light into ashes Date: May 1, 2009 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 12-15-72

It's not a "full" Star and not mentioned much, but I thought the 12-15-72 Truckin'>DS>Dew was entrancing:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-12-15.sbd.hollister.17186.sbeok.shnf